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Ben's avatar

I'm guessing you were not born into a conservative household or state, but maybe I'm wrong. Most of the people I've known in my life are now Trumpers. Perhaps this doesn't directly contradict what you've said, but I think the category of people you are thinking of (Trump conservatives) when you say people who cannot recognize you as an equal, oversimplifies that group. Even the racist Trumpers I've known were friends with black people and genuinely liked them, because though they think ideologically in groups about brown people or women or what have you, in their day to day, they are still intelligent individuals who recognize the humanity in people they meet--they just mentally label them as exceptions, or don't even consciously experience the contradiction at all. Someone who thinks all women should have kids may not think that is true about you at all, because people aren't logical. I'm not saying you're wrong, just that all these attempts at clear analysis of this kind of thing strike me as completely inapplicable to my experiences growing up with, fighting, hating, and loving my political opposites, and seem very much a product of academics who spend no significant time around Trumpers, so think of them in simplified (perhaps condescending) terms. I'm not saying "not all Trumpers". I'm just saying, people are people, and even the Trumpers know that, even if they pretend they don't.

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Karl Straub's avatar

I think the thing is that you can be “friendly” to people who differ in important ways mentioned here— meaning you can be civil, even enjoy their company in the right circumstances— but serious friendship is like a contract, and it isn’t wrong to have dealbreakers. The particular one you’re demanding isn’t at all unreasonable. Your friendship is something people earn, and while I don’t believe all conservatives/all Trump voters are awful in the ways many assume, a lack of respect for women really should disqualify you for serious friendship with women. It would be a disqualifier for me, at least in part because I assume I’d find this person tedious and dull. Prejudices like that are usually not consistent with the kind of curiosity about the world that I value in the people I spend precious time with. Theoretically an egregiously prejudiced person could be a fascinating and stimulating thinker, but in practice I assume this would be atypical.

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